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Marc Reeves

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:04 am
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I'm building a duck hunting layout boat, and it will probably face alot of
dragging across dirt/gravel. I'm thinking of doing the bottom in carbon
fiber.

anyone have a cheap source for carbon fiber?

anyone have a better idea?

Thanks,

Marc

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Matt Colie

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:24 pm
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Marc,

Please do some serious research and consider your
alternatives. Corbon fiber is very light, very strong and
not very abrasion resistant. Kevlar is more abrasion
resistant (as I Recall).

Matt Colie

Marc Reeves wrote:
> I'm building a duck hunting layout boat, and it will probably face alot of
> dragging across dirt/gravel. I'm thinking of doing the bottom in carbon
> fiber.
>
> anyone have a cheap source for carbon fiber?
>
> anyone have a better idea?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc
>
>

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sportsfan

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:20 pm
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Matt Colie wrote:
> Marc,
>
> Please do some serious research and consider your
> alternatives. Corbon fiber is very light, very strong and
> not very abrasion resistant. Kevlar is more abrasion
> resistant (as I Recall).
>
> Matt Colie

Kevlar for the hull, carbon fiber for the mast, on a sailboat.
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lewhodgett

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:14 pm
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Marc Reeves wrote:

> I'm building a duck hunting layout boat, and it will probably face
> alot of dragging across dirt/gravel. I'm thinking of doing the bottom
> in carbon fiber.
>
> anyone have a cheap source for carbon fiber?
>
> anyone have a better idea?

Think you will find carbon is on allocation and it ain't cheap.

Try double bias glass and epoxy.

Lew
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Richard Lamb

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:08 am
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Marc Reeves wrote:
> I'm building a duck hunting layout boat, and it will probably face alot of
> dragging across dirt/gravel. I'm thinking of doing the bottom in carbon
> fiber.
>
> anyone have a cheap source for carbon fiber?
>
> anyone have a better idea?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc
>
>

Yeah, use Kevlar instead of carbon.
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Marc Reeves

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:08 am
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Thanks guys,

I've decided against the carbon fiber and to go, instead, with the
glass/epoxy/graphite option instead
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Denny

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:05 am
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Did you look at plywood with a glass-epoxy skin... I'm willing to bet
that in comparable panel strengths as compared to an all fiberglass
hull, this will be lighter and cheaper... LOWES has exterior Luan ply,
5.1mm, for roughly ten bucks a sheet... I just finished building a 7.5
foot dink this way and you can pick it up with one hand...

denny
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David

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:28 am
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With some wood reeinforcememnt
"Lew Hodgett" <lewhodgett.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Marc Reeves wrote:
>
> > I'm building a duck hunting layout boat, and it will probably face
> > alot of dragging across dirt/gravel. I'm thinking of doing the bottom
> > in carbon fiber.
> >
> > anyone have a cheap source for carbon fiber?
> >
> > anyone have a better idea?
>
> Think you will find carbon is on allocation and it ain't cheap.
>
> Try double bias glass and epoxy.
>
> Lew
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Sal's Dad

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:30 am
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A thick graphite/epoxy mix, spread liberally on the bottom, is really good.
Put it on as a finish coat, NOT to wet/fill the glass.

Even better, the dories stored on cobble beaches of Grand Manaan Island are
sheathed with UHMW plastic panels. They just slide them down over the
rocks to launch, winch out. The problem is that this stuff doesn't adhere
to anything, and must be mechanically fastened.

Sal's Dad


"Marc Reeves" <Marcbme DeleteThis @bresnan.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks guys,
>
> I've decided against the carbon fiber and to go, instead, with the
> glass/epoxy/graphite option instead
>
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espresso kid

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:35 pm
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A double layer of fiberglass and the volume of epoxy needed to
completely "wet" the fiber is VERY heavy
the luan & epoxy+ graphite would be good and light and wear well
or you could go with (from inside to outside bottom) carbon
fiber,ultra dense foam, kevlar, graphite. very strong, VERY light
wears like armor AND INCREASES FLOATATION
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lewhodgett

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:55 am
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espresso kid wrote:
> A double layer of fiberglass and the volume of epoxy needed to
> completely "wet" the fiber is VERY heavy.

<snip>

What glass are you describing?

Lew
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Richard J Kinch

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:08 pm
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espresso kid writes:

> VERY heavy

You mean, "dense"?
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espresso kid

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:16 am
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no i ment heavy as in weight. there is not a fiberglass boat that is
light when compared to other composites or even okume(sp) plywood once
the fiberglass has been built up comparable strenght
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