Canoe and kayak safety

Dave Van wrote:

 > Why do this, Chris?

 > "Chris Kelly" <ckelly1022.DeleteThis@aol.com> ...
 >
  >>I am new to the sport and wondered if any of you knew of any way that
  >>I could make my boat safer. I was thinking of attaching some kind of
  >>hard shelled extra floation on each side, so that I might not flip
  >>over so much.
  >>Any guidance?
 >
Pax, Dave, you must think he's talking about s*****ns. Knowing Chris, he's
thinking of attaching a kayak to each side.

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Dave's right, I should not have done it. Returning to RBP as I am it
just was toooooooo tempting.

Just goes to prove the old rule that the more ya want to say something
the less you oughta say it. chris
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ckelly1022 RemoveThis @aol.com (Chris Kelly) wrote in message news:<7e9899cc.0309260557.6ac5cb0e RemoveThis @posting.google.com>...
 > I am new to the sport and wondered if any of you knew of any way that
 > I could make my boat safer. I was thinking of attaching some kind of
 > hard shelled extra floation on each side, so that I might not flip
 > over so much.
 > Any guidance?

If this is not a run at spo>,*ns, you have bought the wrong boat. But
I think you are likely a fine paddler taking a dig at an oversold
safety device that may have a place but has a rabid advocate some
place that made a joke of them. I have fellow paddlers near ny home
who have bought the finest kayaks just to drop the sport because a 20"
wide 20 ' long rocket is not a good boat to learn on.
If (IF) you are serious , lessons and borrowing a cheaper wider
plastic boat may solve the problem.
I hope this does not come off as elitist, this sport deserves a
chance, a good chance.
I suspect this is bait for the sp:n&#n thing that (could save
thousands of lives).
The Spo<>*n thing is like training wheels for a Harley as they were
being promoted. They are a substitute for a paddle float and may in
their own right be a good thing at times; but not for a healthy
paddler capable of using them.
They are another option to help recover after a capsize and wet exit,
not a training aid. They are a little awkward for the real purpose too
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Chris Kelly <ckelly1022.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:

 > Any guidance?

Sure.

Sell the kayak the kayak that isn't working well for you.

Demo kayaks until you find one that does work well for you, then
purchase it.

I have never flipped in my kayak when that was not my intention.

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Eric wrote:

 > I have never flipped in my kayak when that was not my intention.

Maybe you should take it out of the bathtub.

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"Eric" wrote
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 > I have never flipped in my kayak when that was not my intention.


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what you need is formal instruction from a certified paddling instructor.
You must take at least four courses, then attach the framed certificates
autographed by your wealthy certified paddling instructors to the sides of
your boat where they will serve as hydrofoils. that will keep you from
flipping over so much. If you are still havign problems then I'm afraind
you will have to swallow your pride and add sponsons to your boat. Nobody
likes to be seen in a boat with training wheels but if safety is your real
goal, and not looking like a waterborne stud in rut, then sponsons are
essential.

PS - if you are paddling with some sort of physical or mental handicap we
can give you advice tailored to your individual needs, but we'd need
specifics. You are fortunate in that there are certified paddling
instructors whoare qualified to teach paddling to people with a number of
specific personal challenges. Paddling is for everyone. Don't flip out.
You can do it!!! We don't guarantee you will enjoy it. But you CAN do it.

Chris Kelly (ckelly1022@aol.com) writes:
 > I am new to the sport and wondered if any of you knew of any way that
 > I could make my boat safer. I was thinking of attaching some kind of
 > hard shelled extra floation on each side, so that I might not flip
 > over so much.
 > Any guidance?


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ag384 RemoveThis @FreeNet.Carleton.CA (William R. Watt) typed:

 > what you need is formal instruction from a certified paddling instructor.
 > You must take at least four courses, then attach the framed certificates
 > autographed by your wealthy certified paddling instructors...

Bwaaaahaaaahaaaaahaaaa... Willy What said "wealthy ... paddling
instructors", totally trashing any vestige of credibility he might
have in his verbal war against formal instruction.

Newsflash, William: there is no such thing as a "wealthy paddling
instructor", certified or otherwise. They do it for love of the
sport, accepting the fact that they will earn considerably less than
an average middle-class income in either yer country or mine.

How can you wage war against the concept of formal paddling
instruction when you (as clearly demostrated by this *faux pas*) have
obviously never met a certified instructor?

Jeez, yer cause (I said "yer cause", not "you") is moronic (though
sometimes I do wonder if you are just not too bright). Maybe all
those physicians should stop squandering their money on formal
instruction at expensive medical schools, and just hang up a shingle
and learn on the job? Maybe the RCMP should save tax money by not
giving the Mounties the expensive training they do today? Maybe the
RCAF should send its pilots up to teach themselves how to fly, rather
than paying those wealthy certified flying instructors? Maybe
professional, high-school, and youth-club hockey teams should do
without all those wealthy (certified?) coaches?

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ag384 DeleteThis @FreeNet.Carleton.CA (William R. Watt) typed:

 > ... Nobody likes to be seen in a boat with training wheels but if safety
 > is your real goal, and not looking like a waterborne stud in rut ...
 >
 > PS - if you are paddling with some sort of physical or mental handicap we
 > can give you advice tailored to your individual needs, ...

Hmmm, for all yer goofiness in the matter of formal paddling
instruction, you have shown rare insight with these two remarks; you
have really NAILED Kelly. 'Course, since he is a trophy husband,
"looking like a ... stud in rut" is an occupational requirement.
Fortunately for him, his extreme physical buffitude outweighs his
equally extreme mental muffitude; these kept men, doncha know, aren't
kept around for their *mental* gigantism.

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Now THIS is guidance, clearly give in the spirit of the question. I
deeply appreciate your advice. Chris Kelly
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Really quite ammused at the idea of being paid. Spend lots of personal
time and money teaching people. Tonight I had three 7,8,16 yrs old and
everyone had a great time. You do not need to spend a fortune to learn
the basics. Here in the UK we have plenty of clubs who are only to happy
to welcome you in - regret I do not know what happens in the rest of the
world. We as a club have got more young people wanting to take up the
sport than we can manage. With regards to that which must not be spoken
about we have been using them for the last couple of years with people
with disabilities in sprint racing. Most have found them of use when
starting out. They aim to dispense with them after a short period when
they build up confidence and ability. Like most devices they do have a
use in confidence building but if you have to rely on artificial aids
then you really need to consider if you are taking part in the right
activity.

Frank Healy



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"Frank Healy" <frankandjames DeleteThis @lepton.fsnet.co.uk> writes:

 > Really quite ammused at the idea of being paid.

Dude, yer wealthy. Don't you know that? William Watt said so.

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 > rhopley.RemoveThis@earthlink.net (Oci-One Kanubi)

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 >Hmmm, for all yer goofiness in the matter of formal paddling
 >instruction, you have shown rare insight with these two remarks; you
 >have really NAILED Kelly. 'Course, since he is a trophy husband,
 >"looking like a ... stud in rut" is an occupational requirement.
 >Fortunately for him, his extreme

 >physical buffitude outweighs his
 >equally extreme mental muffitude; these kept men, doncha know, aren't
 >kept around for their *mental* gigantism.

ROTFLMAO

Richard, you are not right! I almost hurt myself when I read this thread.
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